### Paul

Posted 12 August 2004 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE(ally @ Aug 11 2004, 02:31 PM)
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AH Maths, I got As in 2 prelims, with havin close to 90% in each, what chances are there of my appealing and gettin an A?

AH Art, I was predicted and A, and if not , then a B - but marker gives me a C, My work was organised, plentiful, well layed out, accurate, and time consumin to say the least - so what can I do about it. I had 15 ppl in my AH Class, I was on of 2 which passed (both of us gettin a C) - the rest gettin a D or a FAIL. Am I liable to appeal for AH Art? is it possible?

Hope sum1 can help me here.

I think you should be able to get an appeal for Maths, I mean your prelim marks are excellent. But then again, I've never been through the process of appealing myself, so don't know that much about it.

For art, were your class predicted to get a D or fail? Because I think you have a better chance of getting a successful appeal if your class got their predicted results. Don't ask me why. It seems so stupid!

ALL of my class were predicted to pass, with about 5/6 predicted an A!!! but yet, only 2 of us passed with a C.....what is goin on here?!?!?

### Paul

Posted 12 August 2004 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE(Silver @ Aug 12 2004, 03:01 AM)
QUOTE(Shandogg @ Aug 11 2004, 02:02 PM)

AH Art, I was predicted and A, and if not , then a B - but marker gives me a C, My work was organised, plentiful, well layed out, accurate, and time consumin to say the least - so what can I do about it. I had 15 ppl in my AH Class, I was on of 2 which passed (both of us gettin a C) - the rest gettin a D or a FAIL. Am I liable to appeal for AH Art? is it possible?

Hope sum1 can help me here.

My Art teacher was talking about the AH I'm taking this year, and she told us that most of the markers for AH Art are really, really out of touch and don't appreciate what it is they are looking at when they see an AH Art. According to her the last thing we should think about is the mark we get, and we should just work on the portfolio and get a great standard for it, because art schools etc won't care about the mark, they will just view the portfolio themselves.

I don't know if you can appeal for Art, we were told we couldn't appeal for Higher Art at all. Don't know if it's true though.

I have heard of about 20 ppl so far who are in the same situation as myself - the markers need shot!! and you can appeal for Higher Art, about 12 ppl in my school appealed last year, only 3 were successful, but its possible

### keith

Posted 12 August 2004 - 11:45 AM

I got AABBB. The A's were for English and Media, while the B's were from Maths, Business and Computing. Got A's in my Prelim for Comp and Business, so I'll be putting in an appeal for the pair of them. Still pleased with my grades, as I'll be able to get into Uni with them, but it would be nice to have them upgraded.

### james1

Posted 12 August 2004 - 05:55 PM

QUOTE(werlop @ Aug 11 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE(ally @ Aug 11 2004, 08:53 PM)
QUOTE(Dave @ Aug 11 2004, 08:45 PM)

when you ask for an appeal your paper is also remarked so that another good reaon for goinf through with it and also can help do a C-A job!!

I was just wondering, not that many of you will know the answer, but is it possible to get downgraded after re-marking the paper? - Yes, I know, quite a stupid question.

No, you cannot be downgraded. Even if a mistake is found the lowest grade that you receive is the one the appears on your certificate. Markers are supposed to double check all marks and totals before submitting their scripts. Cross marking and standardisation helps to alleviate the problems which can occur.

Basically the only change will be upwards.

### xpurple_starsx

Posted 12 August 2004 - 06:43 PM

If you appeal your grade cannot go down! My teacher told me this so it really is true. Sorry James1.

### keith

Posted 12 August 2004 - 09:22 PM

Yeah james1, I'm pretty sure your grade cannot be lowered. Like a couple of years ago during the exams fiasco, people got better grades than they should have gotten, and the SQA weren't allowed to downgrade them despite knowing that their grades should be lower.

### werlop

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:30 AM

QUOTE(james1 @ Aug 12 2004, 05:55 PM)
QUOTE(werlop @ Aug 11 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE(ally @ Aug 11 2004, 08:53 PM)
QUOTE(Dave @ Aug 11 2004, 08:45 PM)

when you ask for an appeal your paper is also remarked so that another good reaon for goinf through with it and also can help do a C-A job!!

I was just wondering, not that many of you will know the answer, but is it possible to get downgraded after re-marking the paper? - Yes, I know, quite a stupid question.

No, you cannot be downgraded. Even if a mistake is found the lowest grade that you receive is the one the appears on your certificate. Markers are supposed to double check all marks and totals before submitting their scripts. Cross marking and standardisation helps to alleviate the problems which can occur.

Basically the only change will be upwards.

James, I'm sorry to say you are wrong for once. My mum works with the SQA as an exam setter, moderator and is greatly involved with the appeals process. I have asked her and she has said that a grade can only go up, never down once it has been printed on a certificate. The SQA do not allow grades to be lowered as it suggests errors in their marking/administration processes and that would cause outcry.

Furthermore, the SQA sends schools lists of pupils who can be appealed for - these are pupils who are likely to have a successful appeal - who missed their predicted grade. Pupils who could potentially fall downwards are not given the chance of an appeal.

I can quote you sections of the 2004 appeals system guide (something that is not available for download) if you really want that refute your statement.

Also, appeals are usually limited to 2 bands of grade upgrading unless in exceptional circumstances.

### keith

Posted 13 August 2004 - 11:48 AM

werlop, sine you are familiar with the appeals process, does the exam paper definitely get remarked? I always thought they just looked at other evidence.

### werlop

Posted 13 August 2004 - 01:33 PM

It doesn't always get remarked. If several appeals are being made against marking by the one marker then it is likely that most of the people appealing who had their scripts maked by that marker will have their scripts remarked.

However, if only a handful of candiates are appealing for exams marked by a certain marker than it is unlikely that they will be remarked as most candidates are satisfied with the marking from that marker.

Hmmm hope you can understand what I am trying to say. It is too much work to remark every script that would need to be considered for appeal.

Other evidence is the main method by which a decision is made.

### bred

Posted 13 August 2004 - 02:25 PM

I really hope my English paper is remarked as I do think I've been robbed...

### james1

Posted 13 August 2004 - 06:48 PM

if your appeal is unsuccessful and they discover you have been awarded a higher grade than u shud u will be dongraded

i'm sorry to say werlop, purplestars and keith, you are all misinformed.

refer to page 2 of section 8 in the operation guide on the SQA website:

"if a candidate has received a higher grade than he or she has actually achieved,
our records will be amended to show the correct result"

please do not give out information to pupils which may not be correct

### Shaun

Posted 13 August 2004 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE
please do not give out information to pupils which may not be correct

Oh, shut up

### Ally

Posted 13 August 2004 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE(werlop @ Aug 13 2004, 10:30 AM)
Furthermore, the SQA sends schools lists of pupils who can be appealed for - these are pupils who are likely to have a successful appeal - who missed their predicted grade.

Wouldn't it make sense for the SQA to give those pupils their predicted grades automatically?

QUOTE(james1 @ Aug 13 2004, 06:48 PM)

if your appeal is unsuccessful and they discover you have been awarded a higher grade than u shud u will be dongraded

i'm sorry to say werlop, purplestars and keith, you are all misinformed.

refer to page 2 of section 8 in the operation guide on the SQA website:

"if a candidate has received a higher grade than he or she has actually achieved,
our records will be amended to show the correct result"

please do not give out information to pupils which may not be correct

Hmmm.. I've got to say that I'm with Werlop, xpurple_starsx, and keith on this one.

Werlop seems to know a lot on appeals and he does say his mum is an examiner. And james1, you do occasionally seem to come out with a lot of bs.

### Paul

Posted 13 August 2004 - 09:52 PM

James1 - Your wrong once again - sort yourself out man! Do you have to go against wot every1 else says - even with such evidence as Werlops Mum workin on appeals . . . you always talk a load of bs, are u hired to cause disrupt, debate and anger with other members - cos thats all you seem to do

### james1

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:29 PM

everyone look at http://www.sqa.org.uk/files_ccc/OpGuide_Schools_Final.pdf
section 8 page 2
it's in black and white
im only trying to help give the right info

### George

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:39 PM

james1, I've read the part you indicate, and it does state that the SQA will correct any mistakes they become aware of.

I've never heard of them reducing a grade on an appeal though, and section 8 of that document is not set in the context of appeals.

Clearly there's some confusion here, so please refrain from getting catty (everyone!)

### keith

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE
"if a candidate has received a higher grade than he or she has actually achieved,
our records will be amended to show the correct result"

It says the SQA's records will be amended to show the correct result. However, it does not say that the amended result will become your actual result.

### james1

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE(keith @ Aug 13 2004, 10:44 PM)
QUOTE
"if a candidate has received a higher grade than he or she has actually achieved,
our records will be amended to show the correct result"

It says the SQA's records will be amended to show the correct result. However, it does not say that the amended result will become your actual result.

keith it's happened before

peoples certs become void and new ones are issued along with an apology letter from the sqa

"In addition, SQA will write to the candidate to explain and apologise for the error
and for any distress caused. SQA will issue a new certificate to the candidate with
a request that the erroneous certificate be destroyed.

### james1

Posted 13 August 2004 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE(George @ Aug 13 2004, 10:39 PM)
james1, I've read the part you indicate, and it does state that the SQA will correct any mistakes they become aware of.

I've never heard of them reducing a grade on an appeal though, and section 8 of that document is not set in the context of appeals.

Clearly there's some confusion here, so please refrain from getting catty (everyone!)

george i was trying to point out if they reconsider the official script and find e.g. there has been an overrated mark or arithmetic errors even at the appeal they can downgrade

### Ally

Posted 13 August 2004 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE(George @ Aug 13 2004, 10:39 PM)
section 8 of that document is not set in the context of appeals.

Exactly!

james1 you have misinterpretated what is said in that document. I think the SQA are referring to administration errors, as was seen a few years ago in the exam fiasco