QUOTE(The Wedge Effect @ May 24 2006, 12:49 PM)
And yet, despite the overwhelming evidence, you still belive that...somehow, a "God" made us. So, some higher being went *poof* and made all of us. I don't think so. You're just blinded by faith, so there's really no point bothering to try and contradict, since it just comes in one ear and out the other.
As for an afterlife, the notion of an afterlife is absurd. The very notion of it was just created by weak-minded people who were too scared of the inevitability of death, so they just make up an "afterlife" to comfort themselves. Personally, I'm not scared of death, and I accept the inevitability that when you're dead, you're dead, simple as that.
And finally, Hell and Heaven was also invented by weak-minded people to gain some control over the masses and make themselves superior to them. It's simply a method of control conjured up by the leaders to make sure people behave themselves. Some people have wised up to it though, like myself.
Righto, that was a bit long-winded, but I wanted to express my view. If you take offense at anything I said, I couldn't give a sh*t because it's my opinion. If you have a problem, I don't care, so don't bother flaming me.
Religion is not an escape from the reality of life and death. People follow religion because they want answers. I may cease to believe in an afterlife when I understand consciousness and other unsolved mysteries relating to philosophy of the mind. Or maybe I will believe in it more. The point is that many religious people do not believe in an afterlife to make death more acceptable, but because life is a mystery and death moreso.
I agree that religion instills moral values that define our poltical systems and life in general, however I do not see how this is a criticism of religion. I'm sure that everyone has wised up to this concept, there are other ways to make people behave and religion is favourable to oppression I would say.
QUOTE(PK Barackis @ May 24 2006, 01:46 PM)
what i never got was if god created the earth in 7 days. and on the 6th he created man.
and it is proven that there were no men about the same time as dinosaurs.
where do the dinosaurs fit in?
Most christians do not take the bible literally. At least from my point of view it is a book about a philosophy, and in my opinion the philosophy is good and I agree with the underlying concepts (not all the techincalities) so I choose to say I agree with the bible.
QUOTE(andymckenzie @ May 24 2006, 06:10 PM)
i think dave etc are being really stupid saying science and religion cant coexist. science is fact, no religious man can argue with it, it has been proven. religious has no such evidence, we cant prove if your good you go to heaven. thats why its called faith"happy are those who have not seen and yet believe". i believe in both.
Science is not necassarily fact, I would call it more of an interperation of the apparent probabilities of our physical world. Due to the unpredictable nature at quantum levels, all we can give is an approximation for larger scale models - it is not necassarily fact.
I have an interesting problem for an R.P. Feynman book that I cannot remember right now. When I find it I will post it and hopefully it will help people see that science is not always "fact", and maybe make people think more about what governs the laws of our universe.
QUOTE(Steve @ May 24 2006, 08:18 PM)
So creationists, why would God do this? (Oh wait, I suppose "He" has some perfectly good reason that mere humans are too intellectually inferior to understand
I personally think that life can pretty much explain itself from about 10 seconds after it begun. For me the question does not lie in how evolution has dictated that these worms are gauging out childrens eyes, but what separates the living from the dead etc. I don't really believe that God would go about pulling the worms out of every young boys eyes, but then again I also believe that human beings are incredibly arrogant in believing that we can kill animals all we want, but they question God when an animal kills us. I don't see the logic behind this at all.
Nobody read the book I posted