

An idependant scotland
#1
Posted 27 February 2006 - 07:24 PM
btw if i offened you at lunch time then tuf sh~t, get over it i voiced my opinion(loudly as ever). But there is such a thing as freedom of speech!!!!!
#2
Posted 27 February 2006 - 07:56 PM
#3
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:10 PM
finish Uni the go back to Europe
1. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt -
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt.
#5
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:18 PM
I also like the look of the new parliament building:P
If i am not here i am somewhere else
#7
Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:39 PM
Westminster has no respect for Scottish culture or traditions
1. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt -
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt.
#8
Posted 27 February 2006 - 11:00 PM
Westminster has no respect for Scottish culture or traditions
Well, depending on the world oil price an independent Scotland has a small chance of working, but if there is a disastrous collapse in the world oil price then we will be hit with the sort of recession that no country wants to suffer from. I for one would rather continue with the system that works fine for us than have to suffer a deep recession.
I'm as patriotic as the next guy but sticking to devolution is the best thing we can do currently. Westminster has no respect for us? Why do you think we use devolution!? We're entitled to make our own laws, if Westminster had no laws we wouldn't use devolution. One sample case would be that I'd probably be about £1500 in debt at the moment with University top up fees after only 7 months of university. We have respect, we're not really their whipping boy, when was the last time Westminster stuck their nose in our business?
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
#9
Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:00 AM
#10
Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:35 AM
Yes, but the burden of paying for the G8 is insignificant compared to the burden on the taxpayers if we went independent and the world oil price collapsed. Simply put we would struggle to make any money on exported oil from "North Sea Oil". The country would go into recession. Per Capita Income would dramatically decrease and many more people would live below the poverty line. Unemployment would spike to an all time high.
My economics lecturer told my class this last term and many more agree with him including the major newspapers and magazines published by economic notaries.
Independence for Scotland is a major risk. We have our pride, why gain slightly more with such an unecessary risk? What would be possibly gain from such an unprecedented risk? The power to govern ourselves? Well that requires constitution writing. We're not worried about Jack McConnell and abuse of executive power but it's the man or woman 50 places into the future as "President" or "Prime Minister" of Scotland. We would also not be a member of the EU if we became independent. Back to the economics of it:
Our exports are currently in decline. As a part of the United Kingdom we don't have much to worry about, as an independent nation, it's a worry. If you check through my posts my main concern is the world oil price. Without energy alternatives 60 years from now the world isn't going to be doing too well. Oil plays a major part in all our lives everyday. The majority of nations rely on extremely volatile and unstable regions like the Middle East for the vast majority of their oil imports. We're lucky enough to have North Sea Oil, but simply put, it's drying up (as I said when I told you that exports are in decline) so our main export as the nation of Scotland will eventually dry up. Which means: Taxes will rise in an attempt to make up for the money we lose from not having oil to export. As a nation of 5 million people our tax will be huge as it will be split among 5m people to make up for oil losses. As part of the United Kingdom, it's divided up among 60m people. 12 times less tax to pay on oil. I know what I'd rather have.
Or we could ask the World Bank to bail us out a few times...all of a sudden Live 8 Scotland would become a reality

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#11
Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:16 PM
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#12
Posted 28 February 2006 - 02:34 PM
And then theres also the demographic issue, we already have an ageing population and a lot of money thats used to pay for older people comes from westminster and taxpayers in England and Wales. Scotland is trying to attract immigrants at the moment but this won't be very easy if its harder to migrate because we'd be seperate from the EU. We'd also loose subsidies etc. from being in the EU so overall we'd loose out.
So basically I'm very much against it, I do believe however that the Scottish Parliament should be given more power especially in areas like migration laws.
(I'd write more but Scott's already made all my points

#13
Posted 28 February 2006 - 05:17 PM

Anyways, yes. It would mean that we get away from the bland parliament down south, and actually make full use of the Scottish Parliament, in which there are MSP's of most political persuasions. Any decisions made would be more suited to our country, which as a whole tends to be a lot more left-thinking than England, It would result in a helluva lot more national pride as well!

Aberdeen University - French and International Relations - September 06'

#14
Posted 28 February 2006 - 08:06 PM

#15
Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:30 PM
Yeh, I did it a while back.

Aberdeen University - French and International Relations - September 06'

#16
Posted 02 March 2006 - 03:50 PM
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#17
Posted 02 March 2006 - 09:00 PM
and now my two little pennies
I think an independant Scotland is possible, but in our life times, that probability is near enough to zero that you could probably easily comprehend.
In my humble(maybe not so humble) opinion, if Scotland attracted more immigrants to Scotland, maybe via the education system(just an example). Creating a larger workforce in the future. And by having a larger workforce, business' will be more attracted to set up camp in Scotland. All of this creating more taxable income to well tax. Thus giving the Economy a long term boost and increasing the Goverments ability to increase Goverment spending too.
Another way the Goverment could increase public spending is by encouraging business' and entrepreneurs and such to invest in public services and institutions, not like PFI/PPP though, a direct invest with no strings attached.
Long shots they may be, but that's how i think somehow, unrealistic ambitions lol
In short i think it's possible, just it will take years, decades, possibly even a century or two.
Edited by Sodium_Ho, 02 March 2006 - 09:02 PM.
#18
Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:24 PM
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#19
Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:23 PM
I dont think there is a need to increase the workforce as i believe there is a lot of unemployment (i guess you mean professionals and stuff but still)
If i am not here i am somewhere else
#20
Posted 04 March 2006 - 10:35 AM
OMG. Agreed.

wtf...isn't meant to happen.


OMFGMFS. Also agreed. There are not enough jobs for the number of workers in Scotland as it is. There never are in any country. And then by bringing more workers in, you would only drive wages down by forcing them to compete with each other for the few jobs that go around.
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