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[IcE]

NOT hahahaha

[kyle]

Ice, no offence mate.

But you are relatively new here and could get a boot from certain admin if you don't shape up.

[coca]

I vote we ban this IcE character!

All in favour say AYE!

[Scott]

Eh?
John Bonham... Jimmy page...  Robert plant... john paul jones...

Talent enough for ya?

Overflow of talent...oh my god! They knew musical theory, they could do stuff with their instruments that I thought impossible and redefined music to what we know it as today...but when you compare that to stuff that just goes "bling, bling" and "Ridin' with ma bitches" then they had absolutely no talent at all

[IcE]

How, because I like rap, come on, we all can't be the same now, can we now? lol
Woah dude rock on, we smash our guitars and scream WOOOOOO

[kyle]

Noone has a problem with the fact you like rap.

Its the way you're acting dude.

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Woah dude rock on, we smash our guitars and scream WOOOOOO

That being a prime example.

NOT hahahaha

And that...

[Scott]

How, because I like rap, come on, we all can't be the same now, can we now? lol
Woah dude rock on, we smash our guitars and scream WOOOOOO

Yes, Pete Townshend smashed a few guitars, but he could also PLAY INCREDIBLE STUFF. Smashing guitars made him a lot of money. Not to mention that he could write some amazing stuff. One of the biggest bands the world ever knew. Keith Moon smashed his drum kits up and John Entwhistle killed a few of his own basses. But they wrote some great stuff and fans loved it. Richest vandals in the world was their title.

If you're suggesting Led Zeppelin smashed guitars then you are very much mistaken. I'd have nightmares if Jimmy Paige smashed up that lovely double 6 and 12 string that he uses to play "Stairway To Heaven" ever so well.

Not to mention that the remaining members of those bands I mentioned are heavily involved in charity work.

[coca]

... "bling, bling" and "Ridin' with ma bitches" then they had absolutely no talent at all

Haha, point well made!

[YIC]

... "bling, bling" and "Ridin' with ma bitches" then they had absolutely no talent at all

tell that to 2pac's mother

rapping requires a lot of talent mate. I am not talking about people like 50 cent, who I think is one of the shitest rappers I have ever heard. Listen to artists like Talib Kweli, 2pac, Biggie Smalls, Nas, Jay-Z, Wu Tang Clan.....these are quality artists with TONS of talent. Rapping is much harder than singing, anyday. What rappers do you know of for which you are basing this 'no talent' thing on?

[YIC]

Not to mention that the remaining members of those bands I mentioned are heavily involved in charity work.

What has got to do with anything?

[Scott]

... "bling, bling" and "Ridin' with ma bitches" then they had absolutely no talent at all

tell that to 2pac's mother

rapping requires a lot of talent mate. I am not talking about people like 50 cent, who I think is one of the shitest rappers I have ever heard. Listen to artists like Talib Kweli, 2pac, Biggie Smalls, Nas, Jay-Z, Wu Tang Clan.....these are quality artists with TONS of talent. Rapping is much harder than singing, anyday. What rappers do you know of for which you are basing this 'no talent' thing on?

I'm basing it on the "REAL BANDS, require far more talent than rapping" argument. Write a song with complicated movements and patterns in it, play the song on several instruments. Rapping, sorry mate, requires little or no musical theory and no talent with an instrument. Also, you try playing a complicated song by one of those bands and doing backing vocals, I'll give you a guitar and a year to do it and I bet you get nowhere close. Rapping may require talent for singing, but that's it.

[kyle]

Yeh, i can talk pretty fast if i want to.

[YIC]

I'm basing it on the "REAL BANDS, require far more talent than rapping" argument. Write a song with complicated movements and patterns in it, play the song on several instruments. Rapping, sorry mate, requires little or no musical theory and no talent with an instrument. Also, you try playing a complicated song by one of those bands and doing backing vocals, I'll give you a guitar and a year to do it and I bet you get nowhere close. Rapping may require talent for singing, but that's it.

Producing hip hop music is very difficult as well. It isn't a case of just making a beat. The beat has to be really catchy, and fresh. Hip hop is more artificial, I do not deny that, but that doesn't mean it "isn't music"; The aspect of the music that makes it the music is the rapping, which is not as easy as you may think. Yes, there are many bad rappers out there, but when you go deeper into the music you realise how much talent there is. 2pac was a poet, Biggie was a lyrical genius and then all the other greats in between. I mean all these rappers had supreme talents.

[Scott]

I'm basing it on the "REAL BANDS, require far more talent than rapping" argument. Write a song with complicated movements and patterns in it, play the song on several instruments. Rapping, sorry mate, requires little or no musical theory and no talent with an instrument. Also, you try playing a complicated song by one of those bands and doing backing vocals, I'll give you a guitar and a year to do it and I bet you get nowhere close. Rapping may require talent for singing, but that's it.

Producing hip hop music is very difficult as well. It isn't a case of just making a beat. The beat has to be really catchy, and fresh. Hip hop is more artificial, I do not deny that, but that doesn't mean it "isn't music"; The aspect of the music that makes it the music is the rapping, which is not as easy as you may think. Yes, there are many bad rappers out there, but when you go deeper into the music you realise how much talent there is. 2pac was a poet, Biggie was a lyrical genius and then all the other greats in between. I mean all these rappers had supreme talents.

Yes, you can say the same for rock artists. Many of them could be considered as genius when it comes to lyrics and how they could sing. Then they surrounded themselves with even more talented people who could also write songs that were genius on their respective instruments. Myself and Kyle have used the "Led Zeppelin" argument a lot here. Go find a live Led Zeppelin song. Robert Plant could deliver the notes perfectly and also improve on these notes live. You'd be amazed at how much computers are used in the manufacture of music these days. Live Music these days is crap cause the artist sounds nothing like the album version on far too many occasions. You get the odd band that actually can perform though.

[Chünz]

I'm more into jazz and soul/funk rather than hip-hop. I prefer hip-hop and rap to that indie crap e.g. snow patrol, athlete, the strokes etc. - all sounds the same to me.

[Terrence]

I wouldn't say I'm a fan of rap/hip hop/whatever, but I'd never criticise someone for being a fan and I'd certainly never insinuate that the artists had little or no talent.

Sorry chaps, but that just smacks of blatant close-mindedness.

[Scott]

I wouldn't say I'm a fan of rap/hip hop/whatever, but I'd never criticise someone for being a fan and I'd certainly never insinuate that the artists had little or no talent.

Sorry chaps, but that just smacks of blatant close-mindedness.

If you look at the start of the topic you'd see that myself an Kyle were just making a point about rock bands after Ice or YIC said that rock bands were crap. Then the argument about talent started.

[mystic]

sorry i have a strong dislike of rap and hip hop! not my music at all!
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[dfx]

Just imagine a world without hip hop.... and then bow down and stare in wonder. YOU KNOW YOU WANNA!!!

[smb]

I am not a rap/hip hop fan either. Its just not what i like listening to at all. I can't really see why people like listening to it but they do, so ...ok.