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#1 Rocky

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 04:08 PM

Q- A semi circular window of radius r cm is divided into 4 sectors. With each sector having an area of 125cm
(a) Show that the perimeter of each sector is
P= 2(r + 125/r)
(b) Find the minimum value of P

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:19 PM

Right, I've attached a picture of what the semicircular window looks like. The question is rather scary at first site, but once you get to know the trick behind them, they're quite straightforward.

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Now, you're told that the Area of each sector is 125 cm power2.gif.

Since they're equally divided in the semicircle (and hence the circle), you can assume that the total area of the circle divided by 8 (or the semicircular area divide by 4), will give you 125 cm power2.gif

Then the area of each sector, A = ( pi.gif r power2.gif ) / 8 (total circle area divide by 8.)

Substitute for values, and 125 = ( pi.gif r power2.gif ) / 8

Then, 1000 = ( pi.gif r power2.gif ) .

Just to digress slightly here. The trick to these is expressing the area in terms of something that you can then use for the perimeter. (i.e. something which is common to both area and perimeter.) Instinctively I'd jump to say radius, but look carefully at the final equation which you have to exress it as:

P= 2(r + 125/r)

Continued next mssg due to "too many emoticons error huh.gif " which I think is rather annoying when you type out a huge answer. Mods?

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:19 PM

Continued from above...


The value/symbol/variable that that final equation is lacking is... *drum roll* pi.gif lol. SO, now back to where we left it, and you have to try to express pi.gif in terms of 1000 and r.


So we were at 1000 = ( pi.gif r power2.gif ) implies.gif pi.gif = 1000 / r power2.gif.


Now concentrate on the perimeter. The perimeter of a circle is given by P = 2 pi.gif r, and in this case, the perimeter of the sector is given by:

P = (2 pi.gif r) / 8, and don't forget the 2 radii bounding the sides of the sector, so

P = ( 2 pi.gif r / 8 ) + 2r implies.gif pi.gif r / 4 + 2r.

So P = pi.gif r / 4.

Now it's just a case of substituing pi.gif with the value that we ended up with from the area of the circle earlier, which was pi.gif = 1000 / r power2.gif.

So P = [ [ (1000 / r power2.gif) r ] / 4 ] + 2r

= ( 1000r / 4r power2.gif ) + 2r

= ( 1000 / 4r ) + 2r.

= ( 250/r ) + 2r = 2r + 250/r

= 2(r + 125/r)

... Et Voila.

edit: for part 2 with the minimum value, I think you have to make r the subject for the formula and then proceed to differentiate with dr/dp, set it equal to zero, draw a nature table, and get your values. I'd wait for a confirmation. smile.gif

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:37 PM

part b is easy enough we have done a few like this now

we are looking for which value of r will give the smallest value of P

the place to look is the fraction the best we can do is have 125/r = 1 which means r must = 125

means min value is 251

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE(dfx @ Sep 12 2005, 06:19 PM)
Continued next mssg due to "too many emoticons error huh.gif " which I think is rather annoying when you type out a huge answer. Mods?

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Just use the [tex] tags. smile.gif

\pi

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:57 PM

[tex]?... I do use like [ p i ] and [ ^ 2 ] and all if that's what you mean... but I think they're interpreted as emoticons - well they are, technically. tongue.gif

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(dfx @ Sep 12 2005, 06:57 PM)
I do use like [ p i ] and [ ^ 2 ] and all if that's what you mean... but I think they're interpreted as emoticons - well they are, technically. tongue.gif

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Yeah they're emoticons.

George/Steve installed tex notation which you can now use on the forum. It makes it easier for people to understand the maths with better communication. smile.gif

Just use the [tex] tags.

i.e.

6x^2+4x-3

======
CODE
[tex]\pi[/tex]

Gives you: \pi

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 07:09 PM

Substitute for values, and 125 = ( PIE r squared ) / 8

Then, 1000 = ( PIE r squared ) .

*Dfx how did you make 8 dissapear and then make the 125 into 1000?


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Posted 12 September 2005 - 07:16 PM

I'm not dfx but

you want to transfer the 8 from one side to the other so you multiply 125 by 8 and you get 1000=pi.gifr power2.gif


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Posted 12 September 2005 - 07:34 PM

Spot on. Donna to the rescue. biggrin.gif

Ally, thanks for that, kept wondering how you did yours! lol. I'll keep it in mind.

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE(Ally @ Sep 12 2005, 07:31 PM)
QUOTE(dfx @ Sep 12 2005, 06:57 PM)
I do use like [ p i ] and [ ^ 2 ] and all if that's what you mean... but I think they're interpreted as emoticons - well they are, technically. tongue.gif

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Yeah they're emoticons.

George/Steve installed tex notation which you can now use on the forum. It makes it easier for people to understand the maths with better communication. smile.gif

Just use the [tex] tags.

i.e.

6x^2+4x-3

======
CODE
[tex]\pi[/tex]

Gives you: \pi

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I didn't know that! That'd be useful! happy.gif

*tries out a few*

\pi

52x^3+5x^2-252x+15

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:03 PM

Part b

The minimum value of P is found where 2(r + 125/r) is a minimum

ie P = 2r + 250r^-1

dP/dr = 2 - (250/r^2) = 0 at TP

(250/r^2) = 2

r^2 = 250/2 = 125

r = sqr(125)

Substitute this into P = 2(r + 125/r) will give 44.72cm.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 04:24 PM

Thanx everyone for the help smile.gif





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