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[ermd]

Incorrect, incorrect, incorrect. It was not an act of rioting, and the Dissent! network of groups is now preparing a legal challenge to free all who were arrested in that policing operation.

And if you consider that the police aught to be held above the law, then you too deserve the label of Fascist.

[Dave]

Of course it is

They can do whatever they want for all i care but dont think they will achieve anything....because they wont

[ermd]

And if you had actually read the Riot Act Dave, you would know that for the police to be allowed to act under it, it must be read out by a magistrate to the demostrators during the disturbance (one of those oddities of British Law). Elsewise, it can only be a public order offence they are charged with.

Edit: Riot Act repealed in 1975 - not replaced.

[AppleCore]

Well, firstly, within a collectivist society, there would be very little crime anyway (we all know we get utopia after the revolution, right? ). But seriously, I would say a police force should be there to serve the needs of the community, and therefore a police force which judges its applicants based on their physical wellbeing and knowledge of basic law is not desireable.

And no, I wouldn't hold elections, because once again, they fall under the influence of teh state. I think a community could pretty much police itself once economic injustice and social inequality had been removed.

. but hey.. its how the world runs at the moment.. tough s***, we just have to live with it.

Or, we could change the world. I think I'd prefer that . Why don't you help me change the world, itsmereally ? You have half and I'll have half .

oh! brilliant! and how do u know that???.. just because ay??? lol!! in a "collective society" people will make decissions that dont get the seal of approval from everyone (disagreement). wallah, you have problems again!

There is no right and wrong, there is only a better way, but it has its flaws too.. but depending on the type of person, one flaw is more problematic to one than it is to another.

[AppleCore]

An English law, enacted in 1715, providing that if 12 or more people unlawfully assemble.....
The Riot Act, which was not repealed until 1973, became a part of the public consciousness and developed an extended sense in the phrase to read the riot act, meaning “to warn forcefully.”

i think the police were Forcefully warning!

[ermd]

Yeah, in an everyday sense it means that, not a legal sense. Anyway, as it says, it has been repealed.

Interestingly, I now have some video evidence of an illegal arrest taking place. I find it highly infuriating that this kind of thing goes unreported by mainstream media whereas the antics of a few nutters is plastered all over the place.

[ermd]

oh! brilliant! and how do u know that???.. just because ay??? lol!! in a "collective society" people will make decissions that dont get the seal of approval from everyone (disagreement). wallah, you have problems again!

It's late, and I will respond better tommorrow morning, but for what I'll say to fully make sense, you really need "The Communist Manifesto" under your belt.

[AppleCore]

listen, there is no way of sayin that that way will work., unless you can see the future.

[bred]

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[djh1878]

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Yeah, I missed all of this as I was on holiday, twas good....just discovered this wee arguement too!

I'm with ermdev, no prizes for guessing that one though.

[ermd]

Oh and then we have the sacrifiing of 9 year old boys

I hate people who stereotype.

what!!! Africa cant develop because of debt repayment

Ethiopia's debt of $10 billion ($179 a person) at the end of 1996 may not seem like much compared, for example, to the $11 billion Europe spent on ice cream in 1997. But it was almost thirteen times the amount the country earned in exports in 1996. Ethiopia used the equivalent of 45 percent of its $783 million in export earnings on debt payments. Even after such a crushing payout, Ethiopia's debt is still unbearable.

Another example. In 1998, seventy percent of the world's new AIDS infections were in Sub-Saharan Africa. So were four-fifths of all deaths from AIDS that year. Despite this, among all African countries only South Africa is spending more on health care than on debt service. For most African countries, the entire annual health budget is less than $10 a person. Keep in mind that health care is only ONE of the urgent needs requiring heavy investment.
Debt relief on its own can make a massive difference.
In Benin, 54% of the money saved through debt relief has been spent on health including rural primary health care and HIV Programs.
After Mozambique was granted debt relief, it was able to offer all children free immunisation.
In Uganda, debt relief has led to 2.2 million people gaining access to clean water.

I'm not saying everyone should be a philanthropist, but good democracy, good governance or not these people are human beings for gods sake. I'm not trying to appeal to your emotions or anything, but imagine dying of HUNGER. How stupid is that. How SHAMEFUL is that, upon us as humans.

Oh-em-jeez. I don't believe I missed this post first time round.

Dave got pwnzed.

[Dave]

actually i didnt i just got bored trying to explain myself

the fact was although debt was large that does mean they were actually paying it. You know like people in this country who dont pay there council tax to the tune of tens of millions now