Is it because the density affects the speed? Like if its heavier its slower than a gas with the lighter molecular mass? i think i missed this sess of chem
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 01:23 PM
Q- A gas of low molecular mass will diffuse through air more rapidly than gas of high molecular mass even though both are at teh same temperatures.
Is it because the density affects the speed? Like if its heavier its slower than a gas with the lighter molecular mass? i think i missed this sess of chem
Is it because the density affects the speed? Like if its heavier its slower than a gas with the lighter molecular mass? i think i missed this sess of chem
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Q- A gas of low molecular mass will diffuse through air more rapidly than gas of high molecular mass even though both are at teh same temperatures.
Is it because the density affects the speed? Like if its heavier its slower than a gas with the lighter molecular mass? i think i missed this sess of chem
Is it because the density affects the speed? Like if its heavier its slower than a gas with the lighter molecular mass? i think i missed this sess of chem
Mmm...I reckon it has to do with the covalent radius as well as the density. You see, when electron shells are added as you go down a period, the atoms overall are larger. This probably affects the rate of diffusion. I don't think I'm right, but who knows?
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 02:17 PM
Who knows? Not me anyway. I want even taught that! Must have changed the course since last year!
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 02:23 PM
she aint doing higher she is doing whatever they do in Aussie
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 03:16 PM
Thats A-levels I think!
So we were never taught that then, thank god
So we were never taught that then, thank god
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 03:45 PM
Her point about density does seem to make perfect logical sense though.
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 04:10 PM
Lower the mass means faster the speed because the molecules are lighter and smaller so they are less likely to collide with the other gas molecules. Just as electrons can travel through air more easlily than helium nuclei.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 02:56 AM
>< hmm i tried lookin in mt text but ti doesnt acctually say anything bout the molecular mass n stuff ><
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I looked at my textbook for AH chemistry and there is a big section on this I'll type up some notes later today.
I think you are interested in Graham's Law of gaseous diffusion and effusion?
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 08:57 AM
mayb, i jus need to relate the ansa to the kinetic theory but i cant see a connection. is it something to do wif the collisions?
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 09:05 AM
i checked out that guy's gas law but it doesnt say anything about molecular mass n such.. here the link if u want it
http://www.scientia.org/cadonline/Chemistr...netictheory.ASP
its at the bottom. but i dont get how this law relates to the kinetic theory...
http://www.scientia.org/cadonline/Chemistr...netictheory.ASP
its at the bottom. but i dont get how this law relates to the kinetic theory...
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Basically density and mass both affect speed.
The rate can be considered as a measure of the speed:
Relationship between rate and density:
Relationship between mass and density:
Where M is the molar mass.
Remember that
M - Molar mass, V - molar volume
The rate can be considered as a measure of the speed:
Relationship between rate and density:
Relationship between mass and density:
Where M is the molar mass.
Remember that
M - Molar mass, V - molar volume
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 09:19 AM
but how does the kinetic theory come into all of this :S im all muddled up ><
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Hmmm... I found this, maybe it'll help you.
kinetic theory of gases: an explanation of why gases obey the gas laws. The theory is based on a model of an ideal gas. The assumptions are that:
By applying Newton's laws of motion and then assuming that the average kinetic energy of molecules is proportional to temperature, it is possible to derive the ideal gas equation from this model.
The model helps to explain why real gases deviate from ideal gas behaviour.
The model of gas molecules in rapid random motion underlies the theories of reaction kinetics and chemical equilibrium.
kinetic theory of gases: an explanation of why gases obey the gas laws. The theory is based on a model of an ideal gas. The assumptions are that:
- a gas consists of molecules in rapid, random motion.
- the volume of the molecules can be neglected in comparison with the total volume of gas
- the molecules do not attract each other (no intermolecular forces)
- the collisions with the walls of any container are perfectly elastic.
By applying Newton's laws of motion and then assuming that the average kinetic energy of molecules is proportional to temperature, it is possible to derive the ideal gas equation from this model.
The model helps to explain why real gases deviate from ideal gas behaviour.
The model of gas molecules in rapid random motion underlies the theories of reaction kinetics and chemical equilibrium.
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smaller the molecule, the less likely its molecules will collide with air molecules so it will diffuse through the air faster.
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