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Posted 16 April 2005 - 04:56 PM

In question 139(a) should the separation of the fringes be calculated by dividing the separation for 11 fringes /11 ? To get the answer given in the PP solutions you would have to use the separation for the 11 fringes. Is there an error or am I over-looking something ?

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 05:04 PM

out of interest how fare through the course are you because i have just touched fringes this week

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:28 PM

I'm just looking at the question just now, but surely you divide by 10?

I'll work through the question in a minute and see.
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:34 PM

Yeh, you definitely divide by 10.

There are 11 fringes, so there are 10 spaces between the finges. so delta X = 0.0026 m
d=0.52 x 10 -3 m
D = 2.00m

delta (X) = lambda (D)/d
lambda = delta (X) d/D
implies.gif lambda = 676 nm
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Posted 16 April 2005 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 16 2005, 06:04 PM)
out of interest how fare through the course are you because i have just touched fringes this week

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In my class we did unit 3 first and then unit 1, so we are currently doing unit 2 which I think is probably the hardest unit, although it's not too bad.

We just have self inductance to do.

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Posted 16 April 2005 - 09:48 PM

Thanks, I got the answer but I done it a different way from you. Taking m=o, and m= +/- 5, and dividing the distance by 2. Which is the same, I guess.

Have you done question 11(iii) in the 2003 Exam ? My course notes (both Scholar and other) have no examples like this. Is it a problem solving question? Any help would be great.

Has everyone finished their Investigations ?

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 01:05 AM

i have done first draft and will make changes for monday..i hope

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE(Glasgow_girl_17 @ Apr 16 2005, 10:48 PM)
Thanks, I got the answer but I done it a different way from you. Taking m=o, and m= +/- 5, and dividing the distance by 2. Which is the same, I guess.

Have you done question 11(iii) in the 2003 Exam ? My course notes (both Scholar and other) have no examples like this. Is it a problem solving question? Any help would be great.

Has everyone finished their Investigations ?

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That's not problem solving and is definitely in the course.

When light enters are more optically dense media such as glass or perspex it undergoes a change of phase of pi.gif radians. From that you can work out that for constructive interference PD = (m+0.5) lambda and for destructive interference PD = m lambda. Do you understand why?


I've finished my physics investigation, just need some final checking, I emailed my teacher with it yesterday and she should get back to me on Monday about it. What is everyone's investigation on? Mine is on the physics of stretched strings.
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Posted 17 April 2005 - 12:18 PM

Yes, I thought that was the answer too. However, the solutions state that for constructive interference Optical Path Difference = (n+0.5)x lambda. Surely 'n' represents the refractive index rather than an integer. Is this an error of the SQA's part ?

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 12:24 PM

is m not for refractive index now

i got slightly confused at that bit...partly because i haven't truelly covered it yet

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 12:36 PM

I don't have a clue what the formula means, but this is what says in the data booklet:

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 02:08 PM

yeah i thought that

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 03:02 PM

Are Physics candidates supposed to be given a data booklet !?!
I have never heard about this - is there anything else I should have been given and will we be able to use this booklet in the exam and NABs ?

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 04:18 PM

lol no, the data booklet doesn't come in till next year.
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Posted 17 April 2005 - 04:40 PM

Anyone got a clue about the past paper solution saying that constructive interference = (n+ 1/2) lambda, do you think they have taken 'n' as an integer rather than the refractive index ?

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 04:44 PM

The refractive index is written as "n" or "ยต" (the Greek letter mu).

"m" is an integer in this case.
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Posted 17 April 2005 - 04:47 PM

I was looking through my notes for unit 3 there and all this stuff was just before "Thin films" and in the area all about interference by division of amplitude.
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Posted 17 April 2005 - 05:01 PM

Yes, It doesn't really explain the PP's solution though.





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