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Poll: Which party do you want to win the election? (50 member(s) have cast votes)

Which party do you want to win the election?

  1. Labour (13 votes [26.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.00%

  2. Conservatives (3 votes [6.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.00%

  3. Liberal Democrats (13 votes [26.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.00%

  4. SNP (9 votes [18.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.00%

  5. UKIP (1 votes [2.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.00%

  6. Scottish Socialists (3 votes [6.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.00%

  7. Green Party (2 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  8. Other (1 votes [2.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.00%

  9. Don't Care! (5 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

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#21 ermd

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:15 PM

Although I find the most of your post ridiculous and close-minded this part in particular stands out:

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We need nuclear weapons as a deterant against rogue countries.

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You honestly believe arming ourselves with nuclear weapons actually decreases the chances of an attack?

It's the same with the war; it didn't make us safer, it just acted as one big Al-Queda recruitment video.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:14 PM)
well yes actually because it shows such arrogance on there part. Its not conformatism its just the correct way to do things

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Define the "correct way" to do politics?

Just because your own opinion rests on the basis of an exploitative economy and an outdated imperialist institution, you should not have the arrogance yourself to try and suggest a "correct" way of going about politics.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:12 PM)
i am not worried however extreamism never works in a stable country and never has worked in this country.

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Never works in a stable country? Russian Revolution. Cuban Revolution. War in Iraq. Maggie Thatcher. Kyrgyzstanian Revolution.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:28 PM

in no way are we still imperialist, ok we may have old imperialist traditions but they have no menaing anymore they are there as a connection to our past

How can u sau we have a exploititive economy. Is the economy not supporting the lower classes, is the numbers of people in extreame poverty not down. Hell inflation is actually slightly up, which i believe happenbs when there is a lot of money changing hands.

The extreame left wing relies on bringing the bottom up by bring the top down. How is that fair, how is it right to tax celbs, CEO's etc into the ground so they only get £3 out of every £10 for themselves. I mean we had that before...did it work, NO!

There is a quote i quite like:

"If at 16 you do support socialism, you have no heart. However if when you are old enough and you still support it you have no mind"

Very true i find

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:33 PM

sorry deviation i dont understand

Russia wasn't stable, the army refused to fight. Commnuist Russia was a disaster for everyone involved

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:28 PM)
The extreame left wing relies on bringing the bottom up by bring the top down. How is that fair, how is it right to tax celbs, CEO's etc into the ground so they only get £3 out of every £10 for themselves. I mean we had that before...did it work, NO!

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Well, you know what a democracy is, yes? Where the will of teh majority is carried out, yes? Well, does it not occur to you that taxing the top 1% of earners heavily will benefit the substantial majority (99% I think!).

What do celebrities contribute to society that allows them to deserve a £50000 a week pay cheque? Why in the past 25 years has the top 1% of earner's salaries risen by 150% whilst the bottom 20% actually earn less in real terms?

A society should be built as an equal playing ground for all it's members.

In the West we have this stupid concept of democracy, believing that the mainstream parties actually represent people's interests.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:33 PM)
sorry deviation i dont understand

Russia wasn't stable, the army refused to fight. Commnuist Russia was a disaster for everyone involved

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Im referring to the fact the Tsarists had been in control for many hundreds of years, very much stable, and this was all brought down within one year by left wing extremism.

Want more examples? Look at any fascist country. Fascism is the absolute paragon of stability. Not that I advocate fascism at all biggrin.gif

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:48 PM

No Russia feel apart because of a war they didn't wan to fight and were under resourced to fight. You figt WW1 without a gas mask ans see how long your beliefs last. Irony was come WW2 you had a communist government and you were still under resourced.

The lowest hasn't went down by 20% that is just simply wrong

Mainstream politics has the major advantage of allowing stability and national growth. Extreamists of wither wing by there definition would turn the country into chaoes and destroy years of growth since at least 1997.

Again, it will never happen so i dont really care

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:58 PM

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The lowest hasn't went down by 20% that is just simply wrong

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I think you'll find he means the poorest 20% have got poorer in real terms (i.e. taking inflation into account) not the poorest have become 20% poorer.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 05:48 PM)
Mainstream politics has the major advantage of allowing stability and national growth. Extreamists of wither wing by there definition would turn the country into chaoes and destroy years of growth since at least 1997.

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What growth exactly would be destroyed? Growing wealth of the upper classes and not much else? Nothing wrong with that. tongue.gif
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:48 PM)
The lowest hasn't went down by 20% that is just simply wrong

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If you had read my post correctly, I said "the bottom 20%", referring to them as a group, not a measure of lower earnings.

After the russian revolution, the counter-revolutionary forces attacked the communists. They included british, american, canadian, finnish and french forces. For the communists to have withstood this, is proof of popular support rather than a party coup d'etat.

And once again I shall say it: Fascism is an "extremist" political stance, yet it is a perfect model of stability.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:10 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 04:48 PM)
... you had a communist government and you were still under resourced...

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Just thought I'd point out, communist government is an oxymoron. I'm almost positive I have explained this to you before but here goes:

The stage of "communism" would exist when a society has passed from feudalism>capitalism>socialism>communism. Under a communist "state" there would be no government.

What existed in Russia was a single dictator who twisted marxist theory to suit his own power ambitions. Oddly enough, 30% of Russians still see Stalin as thier greatest leader of all time.

This man also ruled the USSR for 31 years, perhaps another paragon of stability, no?

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:29 PM

what you call a real cummunist state is simply impossible people must be led , we are pack animals with natural instincts on hierarchy

There is a number of occasions when there has been pwer vacuums where countries have had no government like Iraq, germany, poland actaully all the countries that the Nazis took over and obviously left when they lost war. In each country the place was turned upside down and chaoes rained(sp) free.

BTW after the WWII Stalin was very afraid because the army had seen how good life could be from what it saw in the west, so he imprisoned anyone that MAY speak out against the communist way

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 05:29 PM)
BTW after the WWII Stalin was very afraid because the army had seen how good life could be from what it saw in the west, so he imprisoned anyone that MAY speak out against the communist way

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Oh, I know this, surely this adds to the "stability" factor though? biggrin.gif Stalin could control anything or anyone.

What you say about the post-nazi countries is wrong. The USSR had virtual control over all of eastern europe remember. It was a very strict authoritarian rule, most definately not disorderly.

Stalin had become very afraid of the West during WW2 and this was one of the reasons he took control of eastern europe, to act as a buffer against the western armies.

And we do not have natural instincts to form a hierarchy. The best possible example is to look at us in our more "natural" state, ie the earliest tribes of humans. In these primitive societies, land was communal and there was no power hierarchy.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:58 PM

in primitive socities there was great power struggles and fighting for best land for food etc. As peoples evolved to the strain that we are linked to they moved in packs and used team work. For team work to function efficiently you nned a central figure of guidance

Stalin didn't take the east he was given it

i didn't mean necessarily eastern block countries. Countries under GB and US control were in chaoes after the war because they looked to give the people back control where as Stalin just put his own government in control and arrested everyone


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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:59 PM

this however is going off topic

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 06:59 PM)
this however is going off topic

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Apr 7 2005, 05:59 PM)
this however is going off topic

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I think it did that a while ago tongue.gif

On primitve society:

"Life for the earliest humans was difficult and precarious, marked by a constant struggle to obtain food. The theory of "primitive anarchism" suggests that everyone in prehistoric societies had to work, and that everyone shared in what was produced by hunting and gathering.

Furthermore, there was no private property (other than articles of clothing and similar personal items) because society produced almost no surplus; everything that was produced was quickly consumed. The few things that existed — tools, housing — were held communally."

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 06:18 PM

I said green. Because I feel sorry for them. I mean, all they want is a cleaner planet. What's wrong with that?

Go Green, I say.

And also because I'm a prat, and fancy wasting my vote.

If I could vote that is. I'm not 18 till the end of May. sad.gif

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 07:01 PM

The website for the Loony party is just toooo funny! You've got to read it! laugh.gif





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