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Posted 22 February 2005 - 11:06 PM

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 08:23 AM

Wondered how long it would take before you started the new topic. Te he with all the hinting in the other linky thing.

BTW i gather bred2k4 that you're for socialism.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:46 AM

Yeah, well greater reform anyway.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:54 AM

Are your parent for socialism too?

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:56 AM

Well my mum is anyway.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:59 AM

Right. Socialism doesn't work really well. There have been actual examples where a large scale socialist systems have collasped.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:16 AM

Can you say why exactly Socialism wouldn't work in Scotland?
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:20 AM

Does socialism mean the equality of all people. Money is shared between all. Market forces doesn't drive the economy. It's what the rulers/leader determine what is *good* for the people - the artificial manipulation of what is needed.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 11:46 AM

the other problem with scottish socialism is they want independance but i personally think we couldnm't survive on our own anymore. There has been too many job cuts and too many years as a united kingdom

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 01:58 PM

I think that getting independance is a good thing for us here in Scotland. No one really thinks of us Scotland and England as one country anyway. The only issue is the money we paid for the building. I mean come one -that was totally out of order.

Socialism is a bad idea.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE(chicken licking @ Feb 23 2005, 10:20 AM)
Does socialism mean the equality of all people. Money is shared between all. Market forces doesn't drive the economy. It's what the rulers/leader determine what is *good* for the people - the artificial manipulation of what is needed.

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The SSP aren't any more about a dictatorship than the other major parties if that's what your talking about? That's what it sounds like anyway.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:45 PM

SSP is a load of balls.

Tax the rich? What if you have worked hard to earn a really good crust then get taxed heavily because some drunk is sitting scrounging off the state for everything he/she can get?

As for all this socialism balls, you can shove that up your behind. How can anyone justify sharing everything between each other when people like Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants do more demaning jobs than Binmen etc?

As for Scottish independance? I used to be pro-independant. Now I couldn't care. Infact I am against it. The common hatred now is towards England but being independant could result in more Catholic/Protestant problems since there is no-one else to "hate. TBH, I hate Scotland. Yes its home and that but I still consider myself to be British. Although I would call myself Glasweigan before Scottish or British. Im more proud of my Glasgow roots than Scottish.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:50 PM

I used to be pro independance and a strong SNP supporter but then i aged and saw the devolved government as enough and the SNP post samond as a joke...although Alex is actually not any worse now

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:50 PM

Maybe if you had a f*cking clue you would know SSP policies are not about taking hard earned money away from doctors etc. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE(Dave @ Feb 23 2005, 04:50 PM)
I used to be pro independance and a strong SNP supporter but then i aged and saw the devolved government as enough and the SNP post samond as a joke...although Alex is actually not any worse now

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Well Alex does think Ian Paisley is a good politician so I don't know if I'd say that.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE(bred2k4 @ Feb 23 2005, 04:50 PM)
Maybe if you had a f*cking clue you would know SSP policies are not about taking hard earned money away from doctors etc.  rolleyes.gif

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I'll tell you a wee story.

Our Tommy Sheridan, when he was in charge of the SSP used to go about giving half his salary to the poor and that balls. Do you know that he was away on luxurious holidays in the Caribean every year? So much for him living the poor life/in poverty wink.gif

My Dad used to work beside someone who's wife worked with Sheridans wife so it is reliable wink.gif



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Posted 23 February 2005 - 05:05 PM

You have no hard evidence to suggest that Tommy Sheridan takes more than 20k/year. You think he could lie about a thing like that and get away with it? I don't tbh. A holiday in the Caribbean isn't necessarily going to bankrupt him on 20k/year anyway, and he was a wife too. I also don't think its a very good argument for SSP policies being anti-doctors, anti-lawers etc.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 05:11 PM

Well how can he afford these big holidays when the ordinary working person cannot. wink.gif

Well if the SSP want to tax the rich and the rich are the Doctors, Accountants, Lawyers etc then surely it is "anti" Doctors, Lawyers and Accountants?

Fact is, regardless of what is say you will not make any attempt to accept it or even take it on board because you have so tunnel vision and only want to see YOUR point of view.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 05:34 PM

Well lets just say that socialism is a far betta ideology than the far agenda currently being pedaled by the Tories.

I am for socialism in sum aspects like equality, redistrubution of wealth, erradication of poverty etc etc. However, as much as i think more has to be dun to help the poor ther has to be a balance and people who earn a lot of money do not deserve to have to give it all away in tax as it was them who have to have the skills to do these high skilled and proffesional jobs.

As far as independance ...that is just stupid! Wot would be the point of having two inland revenues? two treasurys ? and two immigration systems?? That is just a waste of money as far as i can see!

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Kevin_Kilbane @ Feb 23 2005, 05:11 PM)
Well how can he afford these big holidays when the ordinary working person cannot.  wink.gif


I know so people who live in cheap housing but holidays are the sort of thing they really splash out on. You don't know the exact details of what Tommy Sheridan does for his holidays anyway. You're only going by hearsay.

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Well if the SSP want to tax the rich and the rich are the Doctors, Accountants, Lawyers etc then surely it is "anti" Doctors, Lawyers and Accountants?


I wouldn't say its anti-doctors etc - their policy is just that the more rich you are the greater proportion of tax you pay. In a government under the SSP bin men obviously wouldn't be getting the same wages as doctors or anything, not even close.
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Well, that's your opinion. I feel I am quite open minded.
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